Ep. 24 What is shame and why are we talking about it? Special Guest Edition: Pastor David
We talk a lot about the stories around alcohol that keep us stuck here on the pod. But what we haven’t covered much yet are the stories about ourselves that are driven by shame and contribute to our “stuck” with alcohol, other unhealthy habits, tendencies and everyday addictions.
While there are tons of psychology-based resources on shame that can help us in our understanding of it, no conversation about shame is complete without the origin story of shame as told through the biblical narrative.
Where does shame come from and what is it? How does it affect us in our everyday lives? How does it affect our relationship to alcohol? And what are some practical ways for rewiring our shame narratives to walk in freedom?
Just like we do by bringing awareness to our alcohol stories, if we courageously bring awareness to the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves we can journey to truth, freedom, and peace.
For this conversation, we invited everybody’s favorite guest, Pastor David, back to the pod to walk us through it. Shame by design is an uncomfortable subject to talk about because it is used as a means of turning us away from God and others. But we aren’t afraid of the uncomfortable convos here at the BJDW pod and we hope you will find hope in what we share today. We invite you to listen along and join us in the convo over on Instagram.
*Programming note - Christy received news of a family emergency in the middle of recording this episode and had to leave in the middle of recording.
Thank you for listening! xx
Other Pastor David Episodes:
Episode 13: Did Jesus Drink Wine Or Not?
Episode 51: Realigning with Core Values
Episode 96: What does the Bible say about Moderation?
Episode 104: Conquering Life’s Temptations
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Christy, a former lawyer with a background in law, business, and politics, experienced radical renewal after choosing sobriety. Now a senior sobriety coach and author of Love Life Sober (Penguin Random House), she helps women renew their minds and rediscover joy through a powerful blend of faith, neuroscience, and practical tools.
Meade, a former pharmaceutical rep and stay-at-home mom, looked like she had it all together—but felt stuck in a nightly-ish wine habit. Once she realized the issue was less about drinking and more about thinking, everything changed. Now a senior certified coach and creator of the Change-Your-Thinking-to-Change-Your-Drinking method and The Missing P.E.A.C.E. framework, Meade helps women ditch shame, reclaim purpose, and live with peace and joy.
Together, we create loving, Spirit-led spaces where women can explore their relationship with alcohol, renew their minds, and pursue the freedom they were made for.
Christy lives in Surrey, England; Meade outside Atlanta. We're just two women who surrendered our wine glasses, found something far better in Jesus, and now have the joy of helping others do the same.
