The Startling Reason Why Pastors Stop Talking About Israel

June 12, 2026
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In this episode of the Out of Zion podcast, guest host Shelley Neese sits down with Mark Dreistadt, founder and president of Infinity Concepts, to unpack a wake-up call for the American church. Discover the shocking data behind why 50 percent of American evangelicals no longer believe the Jews are God’s chosen people—and why it is more critical than ever for the church to stand with Israel. From the post-October 7 rise of global antisemitism to the quiet spread of Replacement Theology, Mark challenges pastors, leaders, and everyday believers to find their voice, speak biblical truth boldly, and courageously stand with Israel as an essential part of upholding our shared Judeo-Christian values.

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For over 40 years, Dr. Susan Michael has advanced the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem (ICEJ) in the USA and worldwide. She serves as USA President and sits on the ICEJ’s international Board of Directors. She is frequently asked to address complex issues to diverse audiences—including antisemitism, Islam, Jewish-Christian relations, and Middle East affairs—and does so with clarity and grace.

Susan’s involvement with the ICEJ began as a graduate student at Jerusalem University College in 1980, the same year that the Christian Embassy was first established. Upon completing her master’s degree in Judeo-Christian Studies, she returned from Israel with a heart to further the Embassy’s mission among fellow Americans. After a season assisting the ministry’s international leadership to host a series of high-profile pro-Israel conferences across the United States, she was asked to head up the ICEJ’s USA Branch.

In addition to a master’s degree in Judeo-Christian Studies, she holds a bachelor’s degree in theology from Oral Roberts University and was awarded an Honorary Doctorate of Laws by Piedmont International University in 2018.

Dr. Michael leads the American Christian Leaders for Israel (ACLI), has authored books, such as Encounter the 3D Bible: How to Read the Bible So It Comes to Life, and has developed educational resources, including the IsraelAnswers website, ICEJ U online courses, and curricula for Christian colleges.
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