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So Much More: Creating Space for God (Lectio Divina and Scripture Meditation)

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S6 Ep 5B | Mark Matlock on Exodus 7:8-13 (Moses 5)

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Mark Matlock is a seasoned non-profit leader, the founder of WisdomWorks, and previous president of Youth Specialties. He is passionate about helping organizations adapt to changing times by turning research-based insights into impactful action. He’s has authored more than twenty books for parents and teens. His most recent is called Faith for Exiles: Five Ways for a New Generation to Follow Jesus in Digital Babylon. He is also currently working on Emotionally Healthy Discipleship for teens with Pete Scazzero and a new book for Barna. Take a few minutes to meditate on Exodus 7:8-13 and then listen in to hear where God led Mark. Some highlights from our conversation: Mark used to make a living as a magician, so he lends some interesting insight into what might have been happening when the work of God was mimicked by Pharaoh’s sorcerers. We also discuss how our efforts can produce “fruit” that appears real and good but may not endure if we aren’t relying on God. Mark shares about his book, Faith for Exiles, and helps us learn what we can do to help disciple the next generation. You can find Mark at You can find Mark’s newest book here   Follow Mark on Instagram: @markmatlock On Facebook: MarkMatlock On Twitter @MarkMatlock   The exact verses read in this podcast are Exodus 7:8-13 8 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 9 “When Pharaoh says to you, ‘Perform a miracle,’ then say to Aaron, ‘Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh,’ and it will become a snake.” 10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. 11 Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts: 12 Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs. 13 Yet Pharaoh’s heart became hard and he would not listen to them, just as the Lord had said.

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August 31, 2022
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Jodie Niznik is a seminary-trained lover of God’s Word who has served in vocational ministry for over twelve years. She helps people create space for God in their lives through her Scripture meditation podcast and equips them to take another step with Jesus through her Real People, Real Faith Bible studies and teaching. You can connect with her at
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